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Are the Gods People?

Are the Gods People?

Heh.  This one is sure to get me in trouble with some folk.

A lot of people are pretty convinced that the gods look like something out of Marvel, Wagner’s Opera, or <name your preference here>.  Some followers of northern paganism, including Asatru, Heathenry, and even Odinism, are constantly insisting that the gods are at least human looking and have physical forms that look like…well, like white people.  I’m going to drive a truck right over that belief.

Why the Gods Appear Human — Warning UPG Ahead!

It’s laughable to think that the gods are human.  They can take human-like forms, but they certainly aren’t human any more than the natural elements being human.  Because they’re Norse and Germanic gods, it’s not surprising that to most people they look, well…, like something out of Lord of the Rings. This, I suspect, is more because of cultural biases rather than actually what the gods look like or are.  They relate to us in ways we can easily accept.  If that means looking like an old guy like Gandalf the Grey with an eyepatch and two ravens on his shoulders, then that’s what Odin will look like. We have a cultural understanding what Odin is going to look like through our stories. Odin may look differently to another culture.  In fact, unless he had a specific reason to look like Gandalf, he would look like whatever was appropriate to the culture of whom he spoke to. If that means that he needs to show up as Christ, an African American, or a fruit cake to tell us something, that’s probably what he’d do.  At least, that has been my experience with Odin. As usual, Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV), and if you actually deal with the gods, you may have different experiences.

What are the Gods, Exactly?

I tend to think of the gods as natural entities and metaphors for what we see in nature. Their power is over certain natural phenomena. I’m not quite pantheistic, but I think I can make a case for it. But that’s another subject for another time. When we look at all the gods, they all have natural phenomena associated with them. Thor with thunder springs to mind, but there are certainly others. Sif with the earth and harvest. Freyr with male sexuality, fertility, and agriculture. Tyr with laws and the heavens. Odin with creation.  Some, like Frigg, goddess of marriage and the household, are aimed more toward human constructs, but given they are universal, we can think of them as natural.

So, are the gods their elements?  I suspect they are, or at least strongly linked. I know they’re not human or in human form, but I suspect they can manifest themselves in whatever manner they need to be.

Where are the Gods?

There’s been some debate as to whether a particular god is only in Northern Europe, or whether Northern Paganism extends beyond the lands whence they came.  If we look at the actual roots of Norse Paganism, we can see it actually evolved from Proto-Indo-European Paganism.  And that evolved from nostratic paganism.

I’ve shown this evolutionary tree of religion before, but I want to talk about nostratic paganism for a moment. As far as I know — and people can certainly point me in better directions — there isn’t really a lot of evidence concerning what people actually believed some 17,000 years ago. We know people believed in an afterlife and certainly gods to worship and sacrifice to, but given our ancestors didn’t have a written language then, we really don’t know exactly what tribe worshiped what. And while we know that our ancestors made the jump from animism to paganism, we don’t really know when exactly or how. We do know that our ancestors probably worshiped a set of gods because later iterations seem to suggest they came from one root.  So, we’re looking at the same gods being worshiped (or similar gods being worshiped) across various cultures. Yes, the names change, and some of the roles change, but we see similarity between gods of various pantheons.

It seems unlikely that if we discovered our gods during the nostratic paganism times that our gods would be rooted in just one geographic location. And if they were in one location, we’d probably be looking more south than north. But this doesn’t make sense.  Natural phenomena doesn’t change simply because it’s in another region.  Hence, I think it’s unlikely we’re dealing with different gods.

Making the Case with Thor

Let’s take Thor and lightning (and thunder).  I use Thor as an example because he’s easily understood and thunder gods exist damn near everywhere.  Thor as a thunder god is one of our most powerful and revered gods, and yet, he has names throughout different cultures. But lightning is lightning, and thunder is thunder. While lightning may come in various shapes, it’s pretty much the same thing. I suppose you could argue that there is ball lightning, volcanic lightning, more violent thunderstorms with lightning, and even sprites, but I’d argue that it’s the same thing, just behaving differently according to its environments. Look at lightning and you’ll see pretty much the same phenomena.

If we argue that the thunder gods are different in the Western hemisphere than the Eastern hemisphere, then we should see marked differences in the thunder and lightning in the United States than in Asia or Europe or Africa. But we don’t.  We see that the behavior is the same.  The thunder and lightning follow the same behaviors as put forth by natural laws (physics aka Tyr).  So, Thor is Thor, whether he is called Perun, Zeus, or the Thunderbird.  It does, however, make me wonder if Thor is an Earth phenomena or whether he governs all lightning.  No, I haven’t a UPG on that yet, but I suspect Thor isn’t tied to just our little rock.

Physics, Ethics of Reciprocity, and Tyr

We also see that the natural laws extend well past the borders of northern Europe. If Tyr’s laws didn’t

exist everywhere in our Universe, we’d be in a terrible mess. Imagine if gravity existed only in some parts of the world and not in others. That alone would be a scary thought because there wouldn’t be attraction between masses that would hold them together. Or energy isn’t what we understand it is. Or anything that we have come to learn about the universe suddenly disappears.  There would be places on Earth where everything and anything goes. Or maybe gigantic rifts in space time because there are pockets of things that don’t follow Tyr’s laws.

On the human side, I suppose one could argue that Tyr doesn’t exist in all places as the embodiment of humankind’s laws.  And you might have a case.  And yet, we see at a basic level other religions point to codes of conduct that they approve of. “Golden Rules” if you want to take the Christian term, or Ethics of Reciprocity.

Do all cultures have Ethics of Reciprocity?  I suspect so in some form.  Whether they’re followed is iffy — humans aren’t exactly the best when it comes to doing the right thing.

So, there you have it, my take on the gods. 

Pervasiveness of the Gods, or How Loki Tries to Take Me Off Point

Pervasiveness of the Gods, or How Loki Tries to Take Me Off Point

My last blog was about trying to do too many things all the time. When I looked at it while it was still scheduled (I write these things ahead of time and set the date for publication), I realized that Loki led me off on a tangent again.  This becomes infuriating after a while, but understandable. The trickster god is constantly looking for ways to throw my life into chaos — some good, some bad. And sometimes he’ll do it in a heartbeat when I’m trying to write a blog post.

So, rather than tear out my assorted ramblings and get rid of them, I looked them over and found them worthy for another post. The god of mischief still gets his say, but like Tyr trying to hold back Fenrir, I’ve at least put some bindings on it.

Why Loki?

In my mind’s eye, I can see a grinning Loki.  For those who are Tom Hiddleston fans, forget it. He doesn’t look like the actor.  (At least not to me.)  But despite his mirth, Loki isn’t the troublemaker here — it’s me. I’ve been writing about more than I can possibly, sanely accomplish and the god of chaos is amused.  He still has a job to remind me about self care, but it’s far more fun to watch me crash and burn because I don’t listen to him.

But why in the names of the gods would Loki bother with someone who follows Tyr?

I suspect it’s because despite Tyr and Loki being opposites, they still rely strongly on each other.  If we take their existence as simply raw forces of the universe, nothing could have existed had it not been for either.  Tyr imposes laws on things; Loki is entropy. Without the order and the disorder, we would have a very stagnant universe indeed.

So, what does Loki have to do with me?  With self care?  Why would he give a shit, I mean, really?

Pervasiveness of the Gods

I’ve read others talk about whether the gods of one land are the gods of another land, or if there are other gods. Some people actually believe that the Asatru gods only exist in the Scandinavian countries. Wow, they’re saying Thor can only exist as thunder and lightning in Norse countries, and some other god is in charge of it in America. I look at it and say, “Hmm” because there is undoubtedly electric storms on other worlds outside of our own. And certainly Thor is there as well.

Here’s my take on whether the gods exist one place or another. They have to exist everywhere in this universe or things wouldn’t be how they are.  Think about if they were actually right about being local gods. That suggests that Tyr with his laws, (which incidentally include the laws of physics) takes a holiday outside of Scandinavian countries. That would suggest that there could be other laws of physics in England, China, or America.

But there isn’t.  Thankfully.  Otherwise we’d have one set of rules when it came to physics than another set of rules. I believe that the gods are pervasive in their element in this universe. When you see a lightning strike in Texas, it’s the realm of Thor, just as it is in Norway.  The Laws of Gravity don’t change themselves anywhere on this planet, or in this Universe, as far as we know, with the possible exception of black holes. (If they do, then I would agree that maybe there might be another god to deal with, but mathematical laws are Tyr’s domain.) So, that makes Tyr pervasive in our lives. It also makes Loki pervasive in our lives as well.  When Loki chatters in my brain, I know it’s because he’s always here with me, just as Tyr is.

Pervasive, But Not Omnipotent or Omnipresent

So, what had started as a rant about the holidays and me doing too much ended up as a deep discussion how the Aesir and Vanir are part of the Universe. Thanks, Loki.  Thanks.

The gods are pervasive through our lives. Whether we’re dealing with Universal Laws, or simple governing of  biological drives and behaviors, to growing the crops, to wild animals and the hunt. In many cases, the gods are here every moment of our lives, but they are bound by rules that they set in place. For example, Tyr is a very powerful god, but he is held in check by his own laws, by the Wyrd, and by chaos. I don’t know if he is in other universes within the Multiverse, but seeing as I probably won’t get there, it has little meaning to me. He might actually provide rules in other universes, but whether they are the same as our universe is inconsequential.

That is Tyr’s pervasiveness.  But it doesn’t mean Tyr hangs out with me all the time. Yes, a good portion of his power is with me, with you, with everything in this world and universe because otherwise the laws of physics wouldn’t work. Little wonder why he is considered a celestial god.  You got that much power to enforce physics, which see in stars and galaxies on a large scale.

But Tyr isn’t omnipresent in the sense of the Christian god. Tyr’s “consciousness,” if you want to call it that, isn’t always on me, you, or the guy down the street. His laws are with us, and the control he governs is immense.  But the constant watching you isn’t his thing.  It isn’t any of the gods’ things.  They leave that to Santa Claus. If the gods were always watching us, you’d have to admit, they’d be pretty bored.

What the Hel was THIS About?

Looking back at this post, I realize it’s a lost cause to wrangle this into some sort of order.  I should just dump this post and tell Loki to fuck off. But the post has some good points about the differences between the heathen gods and the Christian god. The heathen gods can be characterized as laws of nature and the universe. The Christian god, not so much — according to the Christian beliefs, he is the one and only. Laws are something the Christian god makes, but can break at any time. Can the heathen god break the laws?  Yes, but there is a price to pay.

Look at the price Tyr suffered for violating an oath. He lost his right hand; his sword hand.  But it was worth it to keep chaos (Fenrir) from running amok and bringing about the end of the universe. When you realize that the difference between our gods and the Jotun are simple intentions toward humans, it all makes infinite sense. (Don’t believe me, look at Skadi, Tyr, and Thor — all which either have Jotun blood or are pure Jotun.)

I honestly hope you could glean something out of this post that is worthwhile.  Otherwise, I’ll be back to less rambling things such as Yule in my next post.